George Yeo has made the right decision not to contest in PE

Zanzibar
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More options Jun 15, 11:26 pm
On Jun 15, 10:36 pm, "truth" wrote:
> That is a wise decision Georgie boy. U will retain and may even enhance your
> already high status in the eyes of ordinary Singaporeans depending on how u
> weld your power of influence. Use it fearlessly for the good of ordinary
> Singaporeans and u will have etched yourself into the history of Singapore
> even without an official position.
> U will be better off if u work in an impartial position. So I advise u to
> resign from the pap and work for some charity or ngo.

His quiet time has given the right answers for him. It's good for him.
He made the right decison not to contest.
If he had contested, he might have lost in the contest. This was
because according to grapevines, most people said he was a pap man and
that he will not be impartial.
For example, they said that, a dog who worked and fed by his master
will 100% likely to obey and listen to the master even if he is a dog
to another master. At worse, the dog has o give respect to the master.
He will not bark and bite the former master who fed him with good food
and comforts.
Additonally, in the past when he was the pap minister, he was just a
yeas man. In addition it was said he said to the public about
Singaporean people are "no big and no small" - being disrespectful to
them, - ministers, and elites?,
Addtionally he had said how the people do not know how high is the sky
and how thick is the depth of the earth, -which means people is
disrespectful to them.
Also in other grapevines had said he was not liked by ex-MM and his
son PM. This is because they are "jealous" of him of being that he was
"good looking" without "cluttered" teeth.
In addtion of that, he also speaks better than them with wisdom of
words, and he often words thoughtfully and thought-through constructed
worded before uttering of them.
By not contesting in the presidential race, the grapevines said he
makes a good candidate calibre to replace the PM. They said he should
join the opposition to bring dignity back to Singaporeans
He mad the right decision not to contest as the job might briig filure
not because he is not good but because he might "clash" with the PM.
Only Nathan can endure the top because he pretended othing is
happening and that he closes one eye on them while the other eye is
looking at the 4 million annual salary pmping in every monthly pay
day.
His quiet time had paid off his undecided dilemna. It good for him. By
grace, there is a better plan and future installed for him and in
him.

Tony Tan - the next Singapore President?

Frankie Lee
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More options Jun 18, 11:48 am
On Jun 17, 11:27 am, "truth" wrote:
> Tony Tan has agreed to the papist nomination as their candidate for PE.
> Singaporeans will give Tony Tan a whacking. Disaster awaits Tony Tan. He is
> entering the realm of Hell.

Chee Soon Juan and Chiam See Tong...JB Jayaratman(late) all respected
Tony Tan.Can you tell us straight whether you supported Chee Soon
Juan,a Christian,whom you prefer to think he licks white man's
arses,or JBJ?
Tony is well respected by all political parties,and his public office
shows distinction.By attacking him,aren't you showing the traits of a
crooked nut?

Ordinary Singaporeans More Generous Than MRT CEO

baldeagle
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More options Jun 19, 6:52 am
On Jun 17, 11:03 am, yansimon52 wrote:

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> On Jun 16, 1:13 pm, "AleXX" wrote:
> > Her medical bill was $50K and MRT can only afford to pay her 10% amounting
> > to $5K
> > MRT got money-no-enough. All went out to fill up Ho Jinx's Temasek black
> > hole.
> > "wiseguy" wrote in message
> >news:e61ac752-0349-44b9-9f05-766e4cab065f@k15g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> > > Sigh! What can I say about the CEO, So Fake What!!??!!! ....
> > > Thai girl accidentally fell into MRT, lost her legs, end paying up
> > > $50K in hospital bills with another $150K on the way for a set of
> > > prosthetic legs.
> > > Public-spirited S'poreans came forward to gave her $250K in total
> > > while her hospital bills were taken care off in full by another
> > > S'porean based in HK.
> > > But all she got from the CEO, So Fake What!!??!! is a bloody $5K??
> > > WTF???!!!???....The poor girl should have gotten more becoz our world-
> > > class tranport operater had dragged their feet in installing track
> > > barriers at all surface MRT stations!
> > > Those barriers should have gone up long ago to prevent such accidents
> > > and hard-luck people from throwing themselves in front of MRT trains
> > > but for reasons best known to So Fake What!!!, they didnt start
> > > installing them until only about a year ago....
> > > So I fully support the father as he intends to sue our world class
> > > transport operator for more compensation! Go for it!!!
> > >http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/113537...
> Can you imagine that MRT is receiving million in CASH daily....where
> can you find another biz in Sg receiving that type of cash money
> daily....


Sey Simoni....
The 14 year old girl, not only lost her legs...she lost much more.
Her whole future is bleak...who will marry her...feed her, take care
of her for the rest of her life?
If only SMRT had install the safety barrier earlier...she could have
a happy life with children, she could work like normal people...
earn income ...feed and take care of herself.
SMRT is liable ...has to compensate her for her losses.

The 2 Singaporean girls locked up in JB

abu bakar
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More options Jun 17, 2:45 pm
Yes, be fair to the Malaysian immigration officers.They are only human when
confronted by these so beautiful women from Singapore. Their dicks took
command of their brain cells and therefore they succumbed to only satisfying
their eyes only. Fortunately they did not get on to climbing all over those
females. The Immigration Director is well aware of the temptation
confronting his men and therefore ask the public to be fair with them. In
such circumstances he would have behaved worst. Should any of his more
pretty relatives especially his daughters be seen visiting any country and
managed to tempt the Immigration Officers of any countries they visit, he
will be most understanding if they are subjected to any Immigration
Officer's falling prey to any temptation to have a good look at them naked
doing some squats followed by some wriggling to ensure a good show of their
breasts perform a rhythmic movement equivalent to that if not more of any of
Mozart's symphonic movements. Shabas Immigration director.
"yansimon52" wrote in message

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The malaysian immigration director said this 'be fair to
us'....wowww...normally we see this sort of comment coming from these
quarrelsome islamic bugger...
Why can't he say this.....we will investigate the truth of the matter
and to the bottom of it....thos officers who sleep on their job will
be dealt with accordingly....i think this statement sound better than
saying 'be fair to us'!!!!
What to do!!!!!....when you deal with quarrelsome people...their words
oso likely to sound quarrelsome...
Halo.....who is suppresssing you....who is cornering you? ...to
warrant you to say that it got to be fair to you?
You immigration buggers are the troublemakers....not we ordinary
people who just want to cross over your side to have a decent supper

Holy Shit
More options Jun 17, 5:47 pm
It is people like you that he is appealing to! You condemn the
immigration for sleeping on the job. But is it true? We have not heard
from the two ladies what they did at the check point. Did they enter the
unmanned lane? Did they look for another immigration booth when the
booth was unmanned? Did they deliberately enter an unmanned booth but
was caught on their return?
To push the argument further, were they engaged in suspicious
nefarious activity and that is why they were asked to strip? There are a
host of unknowns. Be fair to the Malaysians and let them investigate.
To me the two women activity is suspicious enough to warrant a thorough
search.

wat_rights
These 2 gals must thanks god for the malay officer didn't gang rape
them, there's too much story about the malay officer try to accuse the
gals and then bring them to a room and gang rape them, 'malay boleh'.
Malay enforcement officer always roaming around the industrial area in
JB, Selangor and Penang and search for their pray ..... the foreign
female workers ...... and then accuse them for not holding a valid
working permit and force them to enter the enforcement patrol vehicle,
then bring them to the palm estate and gang rape them ........ is a
HALAL act even though the 'hole' is non-Halal ...


abu bakar
More options Jun 18, 6:10 am
Whatever the circumstances, there is no acceptable reasons for any lane to
be left unmanned. The man in charge of the Immigration office on that day
should be sacked.
I am of the honest opinion, the station was left open purposely to nab
unsuspecting people coming into the country.In the past many unsuspecting
visitors to Malaysia have passed through the Immigration in Johore Bahru
with the Officers manning the station not chopping their visitors' passport
and many have had to pay the tidy sum demanded when they exit the country.
It is hard to believe that this was not purposely done. The director of
Immigration in his call for fairness in our judgement of his personnel just
displays his absolute incompetence I am of the view. If a station is
unmanned why was it left open? The man in chargte for the day should be
sacked for not doing his job.

What is frightening is the fact a whole whose of undesirables may have just
entered the country at JB because the security arrangements at the
Immigration Department has been extremely poor. The director of Immigration
must be made accountable for this lack of security. He should be stripped
naked and made to squat forty times and after that left in a cell of
homosexuals and have his arse loosen and then have him clean up all the shit
and smell the aroma of all the shit and corruption after which be thrown a
garment that has not been washed for some time. He should be detained for
ten hours and questioned and be intimidated with having to pay fine of a
couple of thousand ringgit without receipt. he will then be said to have
graduated into an extremely compassionate person.
The Idiot did not do his job and has the temerity to ask for fairness. No
small wonder this country is flooded with so many illegal immigrants. Of
course he will have the illusion of believing that there are no illegal
immigrants in the country.

Holy shit. there is no acceptable reasons to leave the booth open when there
is no one to man the post. The man in charge of the station is just not
doing his job. He should be sacked.
A friend of mine one day took a train from Singapore to Malaysia. At the
Station in Singapore, the Malaysian immigration officer just had a look at
his passport, said hi and return his passport without chopping it and he was
busy replying to his friendly chatter and did not notice he did not chop his
passport. When he return to Singapore a few days later, he was told his
passport was not endorsed and he is therefore guilty of entering the country
illegally and will be subjected to face proceedings in court where a hefty
fine will be imposed. He rang me up and I asked him whether there was any
suggestion by the officer on how to settle this matter. he said the officer
asked him whether he knows the Agong and would show him any pictures of the
Agong. I said to him " just pay up" and he did and his passport was chopped
with the entry chop back dated followed by another chop for going out that
day. the Immigration Office at JB is not manned by a group of angels believe
you me. Even Lucifer will tend to keep out of their grasp. Do you honestly
think the Director of Immigration is that naive? Try doing an audit check of
his wealth and he will automatically start shitting bricks even before he is
asked to account for his wealth.
the Malaysian government has too many wankers in every department and you
Holy shit can continue doing some wanking job but do make sure you get
adequately paid for your trouble.

The papist still think they own the Presidency

WanPahTan
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More options Jun 20, 5:34 pm
yes, they dont just think...they actully have procedure to enforce that.
you need to get an Eligibility certificate to stand for election.
Govt. must approve first....cos sporeans are "daft".
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> The way the papists are putting their hands into the PE shows that they
> still think they own the Presidency. Since the Presidency became and
> elected office, LKY thru the pap has decided who deserve to sit in that
> high office. First they put Ong Teng Cheong there. When Mr Ong blasted
> them for obstructing him in the discharge of his Presidential duties, they
> dropped him like a ton of bricks. Lee Kuan Yew then forced his old buddy
> Nathan onto Singaporeans. This bloody useless fucker collected well over
> $20 million and did fuckoff for Singaporeans. So u can see that it is the
> papist who are degrading the office of the President. They treated it like
> their personal playground.
> The way one papist ministers after another come out to comment and try to
> influence the coming PE is pathetic. They still think they own the
> Presidency. Singaporeans should just wake them up by voting for a NON pap
> man.

Singapore is set to become a new 'naval base' for the US

baldeagle
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More options Jun 4, 10:22 pm
Singapore is set to become a new 'naval base' for the US marine, like
Okinawa ?
US Defence Secretary Robert Gates has said the US military had plans
to deploy littoral combat ships to Singapore. With this deployment,
Singapore effectively become a new naval base for the US marine.
Just like the naval bases in Okinawa and Seoul, once in the US will
NEVER get out. In Okinawa and in Soul,
virgins and school girls have be raped and molested regularly by the
US marines...and Japan and S Korean could do NOTHING about it.
Do we want our girls to be raped ?
Shouldn't such an important decision, agreeing to allow Singapore to
become a Neo-US 'colony' of the USA, be discuss and debate in
Parliament ?

Wakalukong
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More options Jun 5, 5:15 pm
On Jun 5, 10:50 am, aehchua wrote:
> On Jun 5, 2:22 am, baldeagle wrote:
> > Singapore is set to become a new 'naval base' for the US marine, like
> > Okinawa ?
> Never happen. Singapore can only service the lighter ships of the US
> navy. Our port isn't deep enough to hold aircraft carriers. This is
> why the loss of Subic in the Philippines was such a blow to the US
> strategic command. I don't think any asian nation stepped up to host
> the US navy after Subic Naval Base closed. That means the American
> ability to project power into Asia is somewhat limited.
> IMO if Singapore could have hosted the US, the Lees would have done so
> by now. The Lees like to play a balance of power game between China
> and the US.


---------
Yes, LKY likes to play a balance of power game between China & the
US. But I think LKY is sensitive to the opinions of China, Malaysia &
Indonesia on any hosting of a US fleet by Singapore -- after all, the
Straits of Malacca is a choke point. So I think the US is now trying
to creep in slowly, starting with small, littoral combat ships.
Wakalukong

Tan Jing Quee - RIP

truth
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More options Jun 17, 8:40 pm
truth comment: the evils of lky and his papist gangsters will be remembered
forever.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Temasek-Review/190806675782
RIP Mr Tan, your tormentors will face justice one day either here on in the
afterlife.
It is not too late
I have known Tan Jing Quee since the 1970s. He was a successful, friendly
and humble lawyer then. I didn t know his past political history and
imprisonment under the ISA. He and his friends used to meet up with my
employer, G Raman and I was occasio...nally invited to have coffee with
them. I enjoyed their company because their conversations were always
interesting and stimulating. They never spoke of revolutions to overthrow
the PAP government. Singapore in the 70s was a very safe and peaceful
country. There was no violence, mobs or demonstrations. As a young lawyer,
I used to walk from North Canal Road to the Supreme Court and the
Subordinate Courts by the Singapore River without encountering any incident
along the way. Thus in 1977 when G Raman was arrested and after him, Jing
Quee, R Joethy and Ong Bock Chuan (all lawyers) and several well known
journalists and professionals were also arrested under the ISA, I was
stunned. They were accused of being Euro-Communists and pages of The
Straits Times were splashed with news of clandestine activities that they
were alleged to be involved in. I didn t believe the horrendous stories spun
by the PAP government against them. But I could not disprove anything except
that I could vouch that they were and are good people. As a legal
assistant to G Raman, I continued to attend matters in court. The entire
legal profession was silent. No lawyer ever asked me about the arrests.
Everyone went about their business as if nothing had happened. The Law
Society did not issue any statement concerning the arrests, even though four
of those imprisoned were lawyers. That was the climate then. Fear permeated
the entire society. I think a certain section of the population also
assumed that the government was right to carry out the arrests and it was
best to leave national security to them. Jing Quee was released several
months after but not before he was severely tortured and humiliated. Thirty
years later, he was able to put his painful experience in words. He wrote in
his poem, ISA Detainee : How could I ever forget those Neanderthals
Who roamed Whitley Holding Centre*, Under cover of darkness, Poured
buckets of ice water Over my stripped, shivering nakedness, Slugged
my struggling, painful agony Circling , sneering, snarling Over my
freezing nudity, More animals than men: What induced this
Vengeful venom, violent score To settle, not for a private grievance
But a public, democratic dissidence; From whence sprang this barbarity?
What made men turn into beasts In the dark, away from prying eyes,
Protected by a code of dishonour and lies To ensure they survive and
rise. I think it was in 1986 (at a time when the Law Society had become
more active in commenting on unjust legislation), that Jing Quee visited me
in my office in Geylang. I remember him asking me why I had set up my law
practice in Geylang instead of being in the city. He warned that I was
attracting unnecessary attention and that I may get into trouble. I replied
that everything that I did or had done was in the open and that my life was
an open book. I brushed away his concern, telling him that since I was
acting openly, no trouble would come to me. He retorted We didn t do
anything wrong too but we were arrested . Jing Quee s words puzzled me
for a while. But I soon forgot about his warning. I was confident that I
had done nothing wrong and that no trouble would ever come to me. I didn t
even put a thought to the ISA. I didn t even bother to check out the Act.
The Act was meant for terrorists and I was not one. So why should I bother
about the ISA? Sadly, I had forgotten about the arrests of Jing Quee and
his friends in 1977. The trauma suffered by them and their families had been
forgotten. My memory of those harrowing days had been erased. And so it
happened, the warning of Jing Quee became a reality a few months later. I
was arrested under the ISA together with many of my innocent friends in May
1987. Jing Quee has passed on to a better place. But he has recorded his
sufferings in his poem. The ISD and government officers who were responsible
for his sufferings have not come clean. They have not apologised to him
before his passing. It is not too late that they do so now, to his widow,
Rose, his children and his siblings. *A relatively new detention
center built in the 1970s located off Whitley Road, used to hold
political prisoners for short and medium term, mainly for interrogation .See
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By: Teo Soh Lung

Why 49-year-old should not be doing IPPT test

baldeagle :
On Jun 12, 12:44 am, Zanzibar wrote:

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> http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/saf-regular-dies-during...
> For a 49 year-old to die during IPPT test for the 2.4 km run is heart
> rending to the family.
> This is because there was no Electro Cardiogram (ECG) or Echo
> Cardiogram (ECG) that can be easily carried on the spot before the run
> is to be run.
> This is in order to establish the person's heart conditions before the
> running test is allowed to run.
> He was still young and he died in vain because the Govt some years ago
> said that they do not want to conduct the expensvie way of ECG testing
> of the soldiers who had to pass their annual IPPT test.
> I think some testing rules should be changed in light of this
> disturbing IPPT test accident on a 49 year old regular who lost his
> life for it.

Soldiers must be fit and must not be with heart condition that
could kill them. If they are unfit or with heart condition,
we should get rid of them from the SAF.
Imagine, if our soldiers were to collapse (suffering heart
attack) while fighting enemies who invade Singapore!

26 million flood prevention upgrading in Orchard road Failed to work

Zanzibar
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http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/torrential-downpour-tri...
This aritcle is saying the Orchard road level raising by 300 mm to
prevent flooding. It was started last year November and to finish end
this month.
It seemed to say the road level upgrade is not working as it did not
prevent flooding in Orchard road.
So now the $26 million road raising work is wasted for nothing, as it
did not prevent flooding or to drain off the flood waters fast enough.
Whose idea was it that the rasing of road level will help drain off
the waters?
The scholar CEO Khoo Teng Chye should be sacked as he is a useless guy
whose imcompetency from job to job seeemd to have been seriously
eroded. He should be replaced and drop out of the civil service.

Pelandok :
It's a good time to ask for funds for a Botanic Gardens/Tanglin Golf
Course Supplementary Water Storage Reservoir/Sump to capture all this
water for domestic drinking water usage. Or a tunnel storage reservoir/
sump under Tanglin Road.
Store the water, then pump it to the water treatment plant ahead of
the queue.
The money saved from instead of recycling sewage water can pay for the
infrastructure over a term of years.
If a water bottling plant is sited in Tanglin, we can have better
profits, after every heavy rain, besides providing some employment.


hu :
The Enviroment Minister should be taken to task. Apparently he can't
even manage the water flow in a lonkang! Send him to work in a little
canal, he will probably drown. If you tasked him to work on a river,
he probably will go down on his knees to plead for mercy!

Role of the Puppet President

By Lee U-Wen

LAW Minister K Shanmugam has said that it is important for Singaporeans to understand what the country's president is 'elected and empowered to do' under the Constitution.

In a three-page statement issued to the press yesterday, Mr Shanmugam said that recent comments in the media suggested that there was 'some confusion' over what the President can and cannot do.

'Singapore has a parliamentary system of government, not a presidential one. The President is the head of state, not the head of government. The Prime Minister is the head of government and has the authority and responsibility to govern Singapore.'

Mr Shanmugam's statement came just days after two presidential hopefuls - retired People's Action Party member of parliament Tan Cheng Bock and former NTUC Income chief executive Tan Kin Lian - had outlined their individual plans on what they would do if elected.

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'Be very clear' on powers of President
The latter, for instance, said that, among other things, he would want to issue an annual report on the country's reserves.

Mr Shanmugam, who is also the Foreign Minister, said that the Constitution clearly defines the role and scope of the elected President.

'He has custodial powers, not executive powers. In other words, he can veto or block government actions in specified areas, but he has no role to advance his own policy agenda,' he said.

'National policies and running the government are the responsibility of the Prime Minister and Cabinet. This is so for all policies, whether they concern security and defence, immigration and population, or housing and social safety nets.'

The Prime Minister and his Cabinet, he explained, are accountable to Parliament, where policies are debated and endorsed, and ultimately to voters, who decide every five years who to elect to Parliament and to govern Singapore.

Mr Shanmugam said that the president's veto powers over the government are limited to specific areas, including the protection of past reserves accumulated during previous terms of office of the government; the appointment of key personnel; and Internal Security Act detentions and Corrupt Practices Investigations Bureau investigations.

'On all other matters, under the Constitution, the President must act in accordance with the advice of the Cabinet,' Mr Shanmugam said. 'The President is required to consult the council of presidential advisers when exercising his veto powers in connection with reserves and appointments.'

The minister said that the President's veto powers are an 'important check' against a profligate government squandering the nation's reserves, or undermining the integrity of the public service.

The President, said Mr Shanmugam, is 'directly elected by the people' to have the mandate to carry out his custodial role, and the moral authority to say no if necessary to the elected government.

Just two years ago, President SR Nathan - who holds the so-called 'second key' to the reserves' - gave the approval to fund $4.9 billion worth of relief measures from the reserves due to the severity of the global economic crisis. This was the first time that Singapore had dipped into its reserves.

On the issue of the reserves, which include physical assets such as land and buildings and financial assets such as cash, securities and bonds, Mr Shanmugam said that the government of the day can only spend past reserves with the President's approval.

The President, however, does not direct the operations of these statutory boards and government companies. He is also not empowered to direct the investment strategies of the Government of Singapore Investment Corporation and Temasek Holdings, said Mr Shanmugam.

'The President also receives the audited annual accounts of GIC and Temasek, and has access to any of the information available to their boards. This system of governance has allowed (them) to operate professionally and achieve good returns over time, comparable to other reputable global investors.'

This article was first published in The Business Times.

yellow fever :
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 08:02:58 +0800, "`" <`...@happy.com> wrote:
>kill alexx
>"AleXX" wrote in message

>During my secondary school days, I often heard student saying or joking:
>"If there is an Indian and a cobra, which one would you kill if given the
>choice?"
>Can some wise people out there answer the question please?

Kill the Indian and eat the snake?

truth :
The President is elected by ALL Singaporeans, so why should the President be
subjected to so much constrains ?

No other politicians in Singapore is elected by all Singaporeans. So the
President should have more power than the PM.

Singaporeans should now pressure the papist Leegime to rectify this anomaly
created by the selfish Lee Kuan Yew.

When Lee Kuan Yew mooted the idea of the Elected President, he was thinking
of creating the position for himself. There was so much oppositions that the
idea was held back for many years. By then Lee Kuan Yew's idea has changed.
He no longer wanted to be the President as he realised that it is much
better for him to control the government from behind the scene like Deng of
China. So the role of the Elected President was watered down.
Now we must demand that the Elected President be accorded the power and
dignity it deserves.

No more crony sitting in the Presidential office. We want genuinely
independent Singaporeans to occupy this high office. We want this high
office to have all the powers to carry out the duties and responsibilities.

Zanzibar :
On Jun 10, 12:14 pm, "truth" wrote:

The law on president duties should be changed to enlarge them.
This so that the president has more works to do than now the current
president was said to be spending 3 hour of his daily morning time
walking in East coast park to reduce his weight.

The new law has to be changed to allow the presdient to be more
connected witth his job role as head of the country in representing
and defencing its people in the ocutnry.

The new law should be insituted to enable the president in
representing the people to check the Govt and to sack any minister or
al of them in the govt acting on the advice of the people of
Singapore.

THe people can use th president to vote them out by convenience way of
a safe and reliable internet voting system.

By this way the people can constntly review their performances every
six months or 1 year, to keeep them on their toes with their jobs tha
affect all Singaporean people.
The voting by the people in the voting system will enable the
president to sack or suspend or pay deduct any minster or MPs or
senior civil servants for their lapses and idleness in their jobs or
policies.

The voting system can be easily based on a 1 to 10 rating level
measurement standards to speed up the decision process of votings.
By this way the minsters and their elites will shape up their attitude
of work and by this way thye will respect the people as thier masters
and they are servants.

Singapore is very small and thus the president should be more than a
puppet president with limited discretionally poers. His powers should
be enlarge to work with the govt of the day for the people. The powers
of the people will be the utlimate decision makers of both of them.
If the constitution of the presidnet can be changed by the Govt of the
day on GRC and others, it should be able ot change the law to enlarge
the role of the president.

Lim Hwee Hua to replace Ho Ching in Temasek ?

wrote:
> Only those who are blur blur are any how making predictions.
> This one already decided. It will be Lim Hwee Hua.

Ho Ching, chief investment officer of Temasek Holdings Pte, the
Singapore state-owned investment company, will likely step down in
August, the Financial Times said, citing people familiar with the
matter.

Ho’s departure is expected a month after Temasek releases its annual
review for the year ended March, when it’s expected to post investment
gains, the newspaper said today. That would allow Ho to leave on a
“high note” after eight years, it reported. Jeffrey Fang, a spokesman
for Temasek, declined to comment on the report.

“If there’s any leadership transition, they will know how to manage it
in a way that there will not be too much disruption,” said Ng Soo Nam,
the Singapore-based chief investment officer at Nikko Asset Management
Co., which oversees about $126 billion. “Temasek is more than just Ho
Ching. In the past, where they had leadership transition, they had
always executed smoothly.”

Ho, 58, led Temasek in its record gain in the value of its holdings in
the year ended March 2010 following bets on Asian investments.
Temasek’s assets climbed 43 percent to S$186 billion ($151 billion) in
that year, surpassing the previous peak of S$185 billion reached two
years earlier, the company said in its annual report in July last
year. That offset the previous year’s S$55 billion plunge, when it
posted losses on bank stakes during the financial crisis.

Ho’s possible departure in August will come about two years after she
had first planned to step down. Ho is the wife of Singapore Prime
Minister Lee Hsien Loong.
Chip Goodyear

In July 2009, Temasek reversed its appointment to replace Ho with
Charles “Chip” Goodyear, the former head of BHP Billiton Ltd. (BHP),
citing “differences regarding certain strategic issues.” BHP Billiton
is the world’s largest mining company.

“When they had Goodyear in, and it didn’t work out, they smoothed it
out as well,” Ng said. “They will manage things very carefully. I am
quite confident; that has been the track record.”

Temasek has had an annual return of 17 percent since its inception in
1974, according to the report last year.

In the year ended March 2010, Temasek made S$10 billion in
investments. It spent more than S$3 billion in the financial year
buying additional shares of companies such as Jakarta-based PT Bank
Danamon Indonesia and Singapore’s Neptune Orient Lines Ltd. Temasek’s
participation in rights offerings by companies in its portfolio
bolstered its assets as the shares advanced.
Past Losses

The company sold its stakes in Charlotte, North Carolina- based Bank
of America Corp. and London-based Barclays Plc (BARC) at losses in the
previous year.

Prime Minister Lee was named in May chairman of Government of
Singapore Investment Corp., the city’s sovereign wealth fund that
manages more than $100 billion of the island’s assets, succeeding his
father Lee Kuan Yew. The elder Lee remains as senior adviser, the fund
said.

Nathan said: "What have I done? I have done nothing..."

wrote:
> Although I've been quiet, I've been doing work'
> by Loh Chee Kong 04:47 AM Jun 08, 2011
> PORT LOUIS (Mauritius) - After 12 years in office as the Republic's
> second Elected President, Mr S R Nathan - who has yet to decide
> whether to run for a third term - indicated yesterday that he had many
> thoughts on the role and how he has performed it, including the
> highlights and challenges of his tenure and criticism that he had been
> "doing nothing".

> But Mr Nathan, 87, who was speaking to the Singapore media at the end
> of a state visit to Mauritius, would not elaborate despite repeated
> requests from journalists - at least not now, not when the country is
> poised for its most hotly-contested Presidential Election to date.

> Mr Nathan said all will be revealed in his memoirs, which are expected
> to be published in September. "When that book is published, you will
> know that, although I've been quiet, I've been doing work."

> Mr Nathan said his age was a factor he would consider when deciding
> whether he would contest the election. He added: "I have to think of
> my age. People say, 'This old man, what the hell is he still there,
> wanting to do it? Some others think I'm doing nothing, so it's a waste
> of time for them to think of me. But all this noise will always be
> there in the world. You have a sense of what you want to do and you
> just do it because if you listen to the world, your work will never be
> done."

> Mr Nathan acknowledged that there is a perception that he had not been
> as aggressive in his approach as his predecessor, the late Mr Ong Teng
> Cheong, who was Singapore's first Elected President.

> Said Mr Nathan: "There are voices saying that but I can't answer them.
> I know the limitations of the Constitution and what you have to do. So
> I'm not there in a boxing match."

> Mr Nathan declined to be drawn into whether the role of the elected
> presidency has to evolve in response to the new political landscape.
> Doing so would be unfair, he reiterated, as it is for the presidential
> hopefuls "to think what they want to do and to face the realities"
> eventually.

> Former NTUC Income chief executive Tan Kin Lian, who confirmed that he
> will put himself forward for election, has proposed to clarify the
> role of the President, should he be elected.

> On Mr Tan's plans, Mr Nathan said: "You must remember that the
> Presidency operates on the Constitution - and what is possible and
> what is not possible is determined by that ... I won't want to
> belittle his enthusiasm. If he can do it, good luck to him."

> Still, Mr Nathan pointed out that the elected presidency has to
> "strike roots" as well as "adjust to changing situations". He added:
> "It's a new institution and Singaporeans must understand that there's
> a difference between that institution and the executive Government."

> On his work over the past dozen years, Mr Nathan said: "Often I ask
> myself: What have I done? (I have) done nothing ... It's hard for me
> to quantify. I mean it's not like building a housing estate and saying
> I've got so many units and so on. We can't ... It's a very intangible
> thing. You may have to go round (asking) the people in the heartland
> and see how many of them were satisfied with whatever I did or
> whatever I did not do."

> And it is the heartlands that the presidential hopeful will have to
> appeal to, Mr Nathan noted. He said: "Each one should have a fair
> chance of presenting their viewpoint, of convincing the heartlands
> that they are the most suitable person to lead them. Most of my time
> over the last 12 years, I've endeavoured to develop a bond with the
> people of the heartlands and I value that very much."Additional
> reporting by Hoe Yeen Nie

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT MISQUOTING HIM. THIS IS THE ENTIRE PIECE ON TODAY
NEWSPAPER.

Source: http://www.todayonline.com/Hotnews/EDC110608-0000315/Although-Ive-bee...

Casino Quota - 30 percent Singaporeans

allo wrote:
Interesting...

Singapore casinos now have a visitor quota. Not more than 30% casino
visitors should be local.

Amazingly, over 97% Singaporean have not visited the casinos.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MBS does a balancing act with local gamblers
It mentions cap on local visitors; MCYS says casinos are 'tourist products'

By GRACE LEONG

(SINGAPORE) The Singapore government has told Las Vegas Sands to ensure
that not more than 30 per cent of all visitors to its casino at Marina
Bay Sands are Singaporean, a top company executive revealed.

In for a flutter: While the $100 entry levy hasn't deterred many locals
from going to the casino, Mr Leven believes that the fee does prevent
the very low income person from doing so
'We are basically told that as long as only about 30 per cent of the
people coming in are Singaporean, then it shouldn't be a problem. If the
amount of Singaporean attendance gets much higher than that, there may
be some cause for concern,' Michael Leven, Las Vegas Sands president and
chief operating officer, said.

That 30 per cent figure isn't published, he said in an interview last
week with Inside Asian Gaming. 'That's what our numbers have been,
roughly 30 per cent Singaporean. That doesn't seem to cause any problem.'

To this day, only about 3 per cent of Singapore's population has ever
played in a casino, he said.

But a spokesman with the Ministry of Community Development did not
confirm the 30 per cent cap, saying only that 'the IR operators have
been told very clearly that the casinos are tourist products and they
are not to target the domestic market'.

In response to speculation that the Singapore government may further
limit local access to casinos, Mr Leven said that the company hasn't had
problems with the 30 per cent cap, but doesn't rule out the possibility
of more intervention.

'You're always going to have in the casino business some people who
overplay. That's part of the business, but the great majority of people
can control themselves and I don't think we're creating more poverty in
Singapore because of our presence. But if that were to happen, the
government would have every right and every reason to come in and try to
restrict play.'

But he said that Sands needed local gamblers in order to support its
investment in integrated resorts. 'We have to have some local play in
order to be consistent when we don't have conventions and we don't have
tourists. Otherwise, you've got an awful lot of overhead sitting there
not generating any revenue.'

While the $100 entry levy hasn't deterred locals from going to the
casino, Mr Leven said that he believes the fee does prevent the very low
income person from coming in.

'I think casinos need to be careful not to attract the kind of people
that can't afford to come in. The people who would normally play a
lottery, for instance, where they can play pennies or dollars,' he said.

'But I think when you come into a large casino like ours or Genting, the
fee structure only inhibits those low-end people. It doesn't inhibit
people from coming in for an evening of entertainment. So I like it.

'Frankly, I would be surprised, if we expand in other countries in Asia,
that we don't have an entry fee in almost every country, if not every
country.'

In discussions with governments in Japan, South Korea and Vietnam -
countries targeted by Sands for potential gaming expansion - Mr Leven
said that there were political reasons why certain constituencies have
concerns about local gaming.

'So they begin to see the virtue of our system because our system drives
tourists and drives conventions and meetings and entertainment and
builds an enormous amount of jobs,' he said.

While Sands rival Genting Singapore has managed to hang on to the lion's
share of the gaming market in Singapore because of its contacts in
Malaysia and aggressive wooing of VIP highrollers, Mr Leven said that
MBS has caught up in the mass market segment, which Sands expects to
dominate in Singapore.

'In the early days, Genting won both the market share game in VIP gaming
as well as mass market. We are now winning the mass market game and they
continue to lead in the VIP game for a variety of reasons.

'On the VIP end, they're more aggressive than we've been and doing a
better job. But they had a headstart on us because of all their contacts
in Malaysia. And we'll eventually catch up and probably that market will
be split, but I think we'll continue to dominate the mass market.'

But Mr Leven also acknowledged picking up a few tips on its mass market
floor strategy from Genting Singapore.

'The mass market floor in Singapore constantly changes. One of the
things we learned from Genting was the electronic table games, which
they put, and the stadium table games. We didn't know about that. We saw
that there and we immediately ordered them and put them in. They've been
very good,' he said.

Sands has made over 2,000 changes in the past six months on its MBS
gaming floor: changing slot machines and other electronic gaming
machines, tables, and putting in new games, he said.

'Most people don't realise that there is both an art and science to the
gaming business. It's not just getting people in there to play. You have
to put the right game in the right place so that revenue per square foot
is maximised,' he said.

Land Shortages in Singapore - will get worse

truth wrote:
Singapore is a very tiny place. Land is finite. The major part of Singapore
has been developed. The spaces above have also been almost fully utilises.
There is not much higher they can rezone. So the capacity to increase the
housing supply is finite.

Given this limatation of Singapore and the current extremely attractive
location of Singapore to the world population and businesses, u can easily
see why despite the government intention to ram in the surge in house prices
have failed so far. They are digging deep into their land reserves to win
this battle against massive buying pressure. They have now made it very
clear that there will be over 50,000 units coming into the market. Yet the
buying are still strong.

The reason is simple. All those developers who holds land reserves as well
as sizeable number of apartments are rich and have holding power. They have
more money than property they can buy. They also know that the government
stocks is rapidly declining. That is why these smart people are holding on.
Short of banning the foreigners from buying Singapore properties, the papist
Leegime has basically lost the control over the property market in
Singapore. It is now controlled by the rich developers and foreign funds.
Face it Singapore is a much desire destination for the rich and not so rich.

The Chinese love Singapore, the Indians love Singapore, the Indonesians love
Singapore, the Australian now also love Singapore. The Europeans and
Americans can heading in massive number into Singapore. To them it is
paradise. So the demand for housing is strong. So strong that even 100,000
units will also not be enough. Compare to other international cities,
Singapore is still cheap. There is ample liquidity. Cost of funds is cheap.
Inflation is surging.

So the papist leegime is caught in a little trap of their own making. The
economy is geared onto a higher plane and to reverse it is suicidal.

Loopholes in ministerial pay review

"asdf asdf" wrote in message

> The terms and conditions of the ministerial pay review do not include a
> review of the bonus and the pension of the ministers. It will only review
> the pay of the ministers.

> So there are loopholes for the PM to outrageously reward his ministers
> without the public knowing anything about it. There are rumours that last
> year some ministers got 30 months bonuses. We will never know the truth
> unless the PM reveals it to us. So even if the ministerial pay is cut to
> $1
> million a year, the PM can still jerk up the amount his ministers get by
> giving them huge bonuses. There is nothing to stop the PM from giving his
> ministers up to $10 million or even $100 million as bonus like those
> American banks rewarded their CEOs.

> The the base salary on which the ministerial pension is set is also up to
> the PM to decide. The PM can still base the pensionable portion on the old
> salary. There is nothing to prevent him from doing that and the public
> will
> not know it either.

> So Singaporeans should be vigilant. The ministerial pay review may cut the
> salary of the ministers but the PM can still reward them big time without
> the public knowing.
> This is the kind of loopholes which LKY and his pap is very good in
> creating
> to deceive the public.
> They can always pay 60 months bonus to themselves. Trust no one.

Yes. No salary, but each will get 12 month bonuses base on their last drawn
salaries. This will amount to a LanPar-ParLan pay review :)

Heavy rain started and going to flood again

From: asdf asdf
Subject: Re: Heavy rain started and going to flood again
On Jun 8, 11:57 pm, Zanzibar wrote:

> Heavy rain had started at 10.30 pm, Wed 8 June. The heavy dowpour is
> still on, at this hour 11.30pm.

> From observations of such continuity of heavy downpours, in that if it
> heavy downpour continues continuously for 2 to 3 hours, flooding wil
> astart to occur.

> It will be a matter of time within that 2 hours of heavy downpouring
> that flood waters will rise fast, and flooding Singapore orchard orad
> and bukit timah road will occur again.

> As now is in the late night, and shopping malls had closed,those shops
> and restaurants in basement shop levels will not have their people to
> come in time to rescue their goods from the flood waters.

> The water minister is shaking his head and legs. There wil lbe
> franitc smses sent to inform cleaning contractors to send workers to
> check out the areas for potential floodings.

> The children of the rich and elites living in flooded areas will have
> hard time of going to schools as their cars will be stalled and
> stucked in flooded waters.

> Ho ho ho...

If the rain is heavy enough, half an hour is enough to start flooding.


From: baldeagle
Subject: Re: Heavy rain started and going to flood again
On Jun 8, 11:57 pm, Zanzibar wrote:

.> The children of the rich and elites living in flooded areas
.> will have hard time of going to schools as their cars will
.> be stalled and stucked in flooded waters.

No big deal. To be going to school is not important...
When they parent go, they have millions waiting for
them. NO need to study like slaves.

Water is good luck ...lucky places have plenty of water...
far better than dessert.
The rich and elites are fortunate to have plenty of
water...frequent floods...it bring them good fortunes.

People living in HDB flats will never have floods...
good fortunes (millions of dollars).

Why Singaporeans cannot have Tony Tan as President

From: "truth"

Subject: Re: Why Singaporeans cannot have Tony Tan as President
Of the lot. Tan Kin Lian is the best. He was no brought into politcal office
due to his socialist inclination which is diagonally opposite to those of
LKY's ultra capitalist.

"WanPahTan" wrote in message

> aya...whether they are politicians or not...all of then are govt. man,
> lah.
> The govt. controls everything....including the NTUC, labour unions etc.
> Is there another country other than spore that required some form of an
> eligiblity cettificate before standing for (presidential) election. This
> is another lever of govt. control.

> "hu" wrote in message
> On Jun 8, 9:30 pm, "truth" wrote:
>> It looks like Tony Tan may be fielded by the pap in place of Georgie boy.

>> Whether it is Tony Tan or Georgie boy, the argument against them becoming
>> the President is same.
>> Tony Tan has been a core pap man. He is still a pap man. So to put Tony
>> Tan
>> as President is to defeat the very purpose of the President which is to
>> check on the papist Leegime. U cannot have a core pap man like Dr Tony
>> Tan
>> to check on his master. No matter how hard he tries, no matter how
>> insincere
>> his attempt, it is just not possible. The simple reason is he will be
>> looking from the same pair of spectacles as the papist leegime. His
>> thinking
>> is the same as them.
>> So Singaporeans, pls don't support Dr Tony Tan as President.
>> Chose a really independent person like Tan Kin Lian as the President.
>> Tan Kin Lian has indicated that he will only retain about $300,000 of the
>> pay and the bal will go into a fund for charity. He hopes the fund will
>> get
>> public and $ for $ government support. The fund will be less bureaucratic
>> and is to help poor Singaporeans who cannot affort to pay for their
>> medical
>> bills, who cannot afford to pay for their children's education amongst
>> others.
>> Tan Kin Lian has also proposed to start an annual Presidential Report on
>> Singapore Reserves. This is a very good idea and deserve the whole
>> hearted
>> support of Singaporeans.

> VOTE FOR TAN KIM LIAN ! Anyone associated with the MIW is tainted BY
> THE PAPIST and politically CORRUPT>

Nathan running for 3rd term...as President?

From: "truth"

Subject: Re: Nathan running for 3rd term...as President?

Nathan is a disgrace to Singaporeans.
He is the poster boy of LKY's excesses. LKY forced him onto Singaporeans and
abuse Singaporeans by paying his best pal indecent amount of money for doing
nothing. Nathan will go to his grave being cursed by Singaporeans if he
don't do some really good deeds like donating a major part of all his income
over the last 12 years as President to Singapore Charity. I prefer he
donates to Singapore Charity than to India Charity.

"AleXX" wrote in message

> "baldeagle" wrote in message
> news:a5b42f29-1ebd-4376-bdd8-a05b67e553db@h36g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> NATHAN said: "People say 'this old man, what the hell is he still
>> there, wanting to do it?' Some others think I'm doing nothing, so it's
>> a waste of time for them to think of me.

>> Who is thinking of him ? Obviously he is so stupid,..he he doesn't
>> understand... what is thinking about him and
>> what is a criticism about him.

>> What has Nathan done....to justify his 4 million salary per annum (he
>> has earned more than 25 millions for
>> his two terms)

>> NOTHING.

>> The main role of the president ...is to be goal keeper of our foreign
>> reserves. What has he done to prevent the loss of hundred billions
>> of our reserves... in 2008/2009 ?

>> NOTHING !!!

> As a responsible kekling-prata-man President, he should have donated some
> chunk of his easy earned money to brighten up serangoon road.

Charge Lee Kuan Yew for crimes

From: "WanPahTan"
Subject: Re: Charge Lee Kuan Yew for crimes

its not that the people are kiasu or kiasee.
Its that they want pap to be the govt., mah.
60% of then voted the govt back in.

"AleXX" wrote in message

> How to when he is still wielding power behind the curtain with his sons,
> famiLee, relatives and cronies backing him?
> Unless the people go by the way of the present uprising in the Middle
> East. But the people here are too kiasu and kiasee.

> "Kulin Remailer" wrote in message
> news:2NM1K00T40702.858912037@reece.net.au...
>> Charge Lee Kuan Yew for crimes he committed against Singaporeans

>> and humanity.

>> Freeze all his assets stashed all over the world.

Tan Kin Lian confirmed he will run for elected Presidency

From: "truth"
Subject: Tan Kin Lian confirmed he will run for elected Presidency

truth comment: this is indeed very good news for singaporeans. mr tan has
started off very well by suggesting that the presidential office issue an
annual report on the reserves. this is a fantastic idea which all sensible
singaporeans should welcome wholeheartedly......

SINGAPORE: Former NTUC Income Chief Tan Kin Lian has confirmed that he will
be running in the Presidential Election, which must be held by August 31.

On his blog, Mr Tan wrote that he will contest if given the certificate of
eligibility.

He also shared his thoughts on the key role of safeguarding the reserves
that the elected President has to play.

Calling it "holding the second key", he said former President Ong Teng
Cheong had expressed difficulty in performing this role.

Mr Tan said there are two main concerns Singaporeans had shared through
Internet postings on the reserves.

One was the safety of the Central Provident Fund and if the government has
enough money to make payouts to Singaporeans at their respective withdrawal
dates.

The other concern was whether there are reserves to protect Singapore's
economic security in the challenging global financial environment.

Mr Tan said these concerns were worsened by the decline in trust in the
government in recent years and a lack of transparency on the reserves.

He said as the constitution required the elected President to give approval
of past reserves or "reserves accumulated by previous governments", an
understanding was needed of what is defined as "reserves", and what is
considered "past reserves" and "current reserves".

Mr Tan said he will be studying a White Paper, published after former
President Ong Teng Cheong completed his term in 1999, on the principles of
the role to understand if it helped the President to discharge his duties in
an effective manner.

He also elaborated on the approach he would take if elected President.

Mr Tan said it's important to educate Singaporeans so that there is a clear
understanding of the issue and a broad based agreement on how to deal with
the issue.

He said that the Office of the elected President should produce an annual
report showing the reserves of Singapore with financial assets of the
relevant bodies stated at both the book value and market value.

This report, he said, should also show the obligation of the government and
should include the balances held by the people held in the Central Provident
Fund and also the bonds and guarantees issued by the government.

Mr Tan said some may worry that it will be a challenge to produce this
Annual Report.

However, he pointed out that it's what multi-national corporations have to
do now and the accounting profession could produce this type of consolidated
report for the President.

Mr Tan believes the publication of the report would improve transparency and
assure Singaporeans of their financial security.

He also touched on the investment policy adopted in the investments of
Singapore's financial assets.

He asked if the Government of Singapore Investment Corporation and Temasek
Holdings should adopt an active investment approach to increase the return
on assets or adopt a conservative approach such as by avoiding speculation
on market timing and asset selection.

Mr Tan said his personal preference is to adopt a conservative approach in
the investment of Singapore's assets and to use the influence of the
President's office to achieve this goal.

He recognised that there may be limitations in the power of the President on
this matter and welcomed feedback from people who have better knowledge of
this issue.

Tin Pei Ling Sex Scandal

From: "AleXX"
Subject: Re: Tin Pei Ling Sex Scandal

Hey....
How did you find these "chee-bye" photos?

"Masturbating Myself" wrote in message

> This girl certainly look like our MP Tin from afar.

> Good luck to her if this is really her in disguise...

> http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://allyssa-kwan-yin-yi.blogspot.com/2008/12/very-sexy-table-dancing-by-allyssa.html

From: decoy

Subject: Re: Tin Pei Ling Sex Scandal

i knew it would happen.

she is hated so much, she should apply for pr in a country where
nobody knows her.

Hard Truths: PAP fucked up

From: Nomen Nescio
Subject: Hard Truths: PAP fucked up

Extracted from
http://www.temasekreview.com/2011/06/07/when-there-is-“no-life”-living-in-singapore-can-there-be-“birth”/

With the PAP Government insisting to interfere into every aspects of personal Life of every Singaporean living in Singapore, is there any Life left for ourselves to take charge of ?

The PAP Cabinet insisted to enfore the infamous ‘Stop-at-TWO Family Planning’ policy in the mid-1960s through the 1970s, interfered in the number of applicants to tertiary education with the ‘Suitability Certificate’ policy, then played with the quota that each annual intake is allowed for either Medicine, Engineering or the Arts – while removing Political Science as a specialty subject from the courses conducted at the NUS.

The interference of the PAP did not stop at the tertiary level of education, as it moved to ensure all public and missionary schools follow a uniformed syllabus, and subjected to common examinations that resulted in the schools being no better then a production line for human labor to serve commerce and industry – instead of educating and inculcating ethos in the young minds.

With the deep seated insecurity of LKY towards the Trade Union movement, he schemed for control over all trade union activists, and forced the merger of all labor movement under the NTUC, which he insisted on having a monolithic grip – that resemble a Communist State complete with the NTUC Secretary-General becoming a full Minister even if it is a Minister-without-Portfolio.

The PAP Cabinet decision to enlarge its influence over Singaporean life moved into the areas of commerce and industry, when it decided that the State should embark on being a Capitalist as it believe that the State controlled businesses “more efficient” in delivering the goods and services to Singaporeans.

Instead of nationalising all businesses, the PAP Cabinet dubiously enforced legislations that force businesses to upgrade or lose their license to operate – this affected the various public transport industry in that was serving Singaporeans well since the 1920s through the 1950s, with the various privately owned and managed bus and taxi companies serving different parts of the islands.

The PAP Cabinet did not stop at the micro-managing the life of Singaporeans but went further in macro-managing the lifestyle, the social and cultural aspects, redefining how, where and who Singaporeans should live and work – as it work to achieve its goal of having 90 percent of Singaporeans to be captive residents living in HDB estates, and subject to its influence and control.

It sets wage levels, bonuses, CPF contribution through some dubious Tripartite Partnership – that are supposedly representing the Government, Employer and the Labor Movement – which unfortunately end up with the PAP dictating changes to Singaporean stake holders without any consultation – as it dominate all the positions that it create and falsely promote to be fair and representative for all.

When one casually listen to the innocuous goals first propounded by the PAP Government, it seems grand and uplifting to the community; however, when one lives within the system that its supposedly innocuous goals set out to achieve, it turned out to be completely dubious and nefariously self-serving.

MG Chan is no more then a puppy flirting with a solution that he believe is for a simple issue, when the issue alone is part of a problem caused by the entire system that the PAP had created over 45 years since 1965.

Atobe

Why I Love to Watch Singapore Charity Shows on TV

From: Masturbating Myself
Subject: Why I Love to Watch Singapore Charity Shows on TV

Did you watch Sunday night's charity show for the old and crippled in
Singapore?

The poor guy crawling on the dirty cement floor of a rotting hdb flat?

It shows how screwed up our govt has become, that they cannot even
take care of a few old folks who are physically handicapped, in spite
of the billions they are collecting for the secret national reserves
(aka sovereign fund). And of course in spite of the millions they are
collecting in salaries.

Shame on them, and I look forward to the next charity show to see more
screw-up by the govt.

Each show is as good as a Workers' Party election rally speech. It has
everything you want to know about the Pappists.

Jobless AngMos welcomed with open arms in S'pore

From: "AleXX"
Subject: Re: Jobless AngMos welcomed with open arms in S'pore

"yatin" wrote in message

> Hmmm... job opps going the wrong way once again?

> From the looks of it, SG companies are still willing to hire 'FTs' who
> can't make it in their own countries & for whatever reasons they still
> get hired despite their lack of experience, skills & qualifications.

> Aren't they depriving Singaporeans of jobs, Singaporean could do &
> possibly do better??

> http://forums.asiaone.com/showthread.php?t=40078

This is in line with 60% of the voters' satisfaction that these "ang-mos"
shall be given priorities for local jobs. Shouldn't complain actually
because it was 60% overwhelming choice of the papists' supporters who voted
for their policies. Stop cow-peh-cow-booing :)

George Yeo is actually very arrogant

From: "truth"

Subject: Why Singaporeans must not vote for Georgie boy
Looks like Georgie boy is standing of Presidential election. This is a sad
day for Singaporeans.
Sad because Georgie boy has been thrusted onto Singaporeans by the papist
leegime.

George Yeo did said that he is a free spirit and thus is NOT suitable for
the position of President. So how can he turned around and now want to
contest in the PE ?

In 1995, George Yeo showed his true colour by saying this:
“Remember your place in society before you engage in political debate.
Debate cannot degenerate into a free-for-all where no distinction is made
between the senior and junior party, or what the Hokkiens describe as ‘boh
tua, boh suay’. You must make distinctions—what is high, what is low, what
is above, what is below—and then within this, we can have a debate, we can
have a discussion.”

How can we trust a true blue pap man to check on the pap government ?
How can we trust a man who keep on changing his mind and words to suit the
circumstances ?
Who is the true George Yeo ? For sure what we are seeing now is one of the
fake George Yeo.
How can we trust a fake person ?


From: "truth"
Subject: George Yeo is actually very arrogant

Let me relate this incident which happened a number of years ago.

I was having lunch at a private room in a restaurant near to the merlion.
The view of the waterfront was good. While we were enjoying our lunch, the
partition separating our room from an inner room suddently slided open. We
were shocked. Guess who was opening the door as if the restaurant belongs to
him ? George Yeo. Realising his mistake he pulled back the sliding panels.
Now a word of greeting or apology. This is the kind of leaders the pap
produced. Considering that George Yeo is supposed to be the most
approachable of the papist lots, u can imagine how bad the attitudes of the
papist at the top are.

From: "truth"

Subject: George Yeo will disgrace himself if he runs for EP

Yes George Yeo will disgrace himself if he runs for EP. First he would have
broken his own words. So who will ever believe what he says again ?
Second if he is defeated again then that will be double black mark against
him.

I don't like to see George Yeo damaging himself. However I think even George
Yeo is powerless when he is confronted by the choice of the evil Emperor.
Any good man who subject himself to the control of this evil emperor will
also turn evil.

High GDP growth destroying Singapore environment

From: allo

Subject: High GDP growth destroying Singapore environment

It seems to me a high GDP strategy by the PAP government is seriously
destroying the Singapore environment on a level similar to China.

Constant flooding and excessive sweltering heat will be soon cut into
Singapore GDP growth in the future.

PUB must move fast to stop the flood

From: Zanzibar
Subject: Re: PUB must move fast to stop the flood

On Jun 5, 10:21 pm, "truth" wrote:

> The PUB has the ability and resouces to move fast to stop the flood. Pls do
> it before this become a big sticky issue for Singaporeans and also before
> this flood damage of good image of the physical infrastructure and landscape
> of Singapore.

If the rain water drainage canals and culverts system is flowing
properly without any "crooked" and "90 degree" turns and bends that
affected the flows, the flooding would have been averted.

Even that small drain in whampo estate would not have flooded if the
canal that flowed to had not been flooded with muddy rain water, and
that young indonesian school boy would not have drowned in the small
drain and and died helplessly in vain.

Now today flooding Tanglin Shopping was shown on TV to have flooded
with muddy water from the flooded roadside.


From: Siansiansian
Subject: Re: PUB has been negligent

On Jun 4, 5:32 pm, "truth" wrote:

> The PUB has been a protected specie. It was and may still be protected by
> LKY for some good works they did on making Singapore water independent.
> However this over protection of the PUB has resulted in its' neglience in a
> number of instances especially with regard to the flood situation in
> Singapore.
> It is now high time for the political leadership to wake up and put pressure
> on PUB to do a much better job than what it has been doing esp with regard
> the flooding in Singapore.

They are only good at getting themselves high pay and up to 8 months
of Performance bonus even if they don't perform up to par
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From: Zanzibar

Subject: Re: PUB - Where are you going to hide?
On Jun 5, 1:32 pm, asdf asdf wrote:

> What excuse are they going to give? Flood again.

> Mandalay Road, Bt Timah Road, McPherson Road, Sennett estate, Eng Neo
> Ave.

The flooding problem was very serious, as it affected many areas
especially the areas where the ministers and elite people live,
causing them traffic problems and soaking their car engines.
========================================================
From: Superbee
Subject: Re: PUB - Where are you going to hide?
On Jun 5, 1:32 pm, asdf asdf wrote:

> What excuse are they going to give? Flood again.

Excuse found - Software glitch.

Excuses used so far:
1. Once in 50 years occurance
2. Once in 25 years occurance
3. Canal blocked by debris
4. Singaporeans caused it
5. Act of God
6. Changing weather pattern
7. ...

Excuses not used yet:
1. Sleeping minister
2. Incompetent ministry
3. Officials sleeping on the job
4. Lack of planning
5. Lack of foresight
6. ...
That former water minister now happy to see he had escaped this time
from this flooding as he is no more in it. That new water minister
Vivian Bala now holding it.
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From: allo
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 20:58:49 +0800
Local: Tues, Jun 7 2011 8:58 pm
Subject: Solution to Singapore Flooding problem..
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Actually the answer is quite simple.

PUB engineers could always leverage on the piping system of the Deep
Tunnel Sewage System and use it to purge excess rainwater from surface
out to the sea.

At the moment the sewage system and the drainage system separated for
obvious reasons.

As we all know, the main objective of the Deep Tunnel Sewage system is
treat various form of sewage, treat it, and discharge it safely out to
sea. It secondary objective is of course, to reclaim sewage water into
Newater and discharged into our reservoirs as portable water.

In contrast, the main objective of Singapore drainage system is divert
surface water or rainwater into the Marina Basin which is then further
treated into portable water.

What PUB engineers can do is to see if when there is a huge downpour,
would they be able to capture the excess rainwater in flooding area by
using the retention pond within the Deep Tunnel Sewage System use it
purge the excess rainwater out to sea ?

That means PUB might need to figure out how to link the drainage system
of flooding areas to the Deep Tunnel Sewage System safely.

I believe linking the two system is possible and viable and the Deep
Tunnel Sewage System should be able to handle the excess load. However,
it is always better to be cautious and test it out to see if it really
works !!

Tin Pei Ling's husband very powerful man

From: botik

Subject: Tin Pei Ling's husband very powerful man

Tin Pei Ling's husband is a very powerful man in PAP. Some say more
powerful than Lee Hsien Loong himself.

You guys who mess with Tin Pei Ling via the internet better watch your
asses.

Tin Pei Ling's hubby will send the ISD dogs after you and persecute
you to the fullest extent of the kangaroo laws of Singapore.

There's news in the wind that Tin Pei Ling's husband, a very powerful
man, will release the PAP dogs in ISD very soon to hound down and
persecute those who mess with Tin Pei Ling.

So, people, be warned and be careful.

Tin Pei Ling has committed yet another crime

From: nun
Subject: Tin Pei Ling has committed another crime

Tin Pei Ling encourages her supporters to call Opposition supporters
dogs and Workers Party chief Low Thia Kiang a mafia boss in her
facebook.

How on earth did PAP find such a brainless bimbo to become a member of
parliament? As a member of the ruling party she must observe a minimum
of standard of proper conduct.

Many of us suspect that her husband must have coached her from behind
the scenes to be so daring as to drag the good name of PAP through the
mud with her immature and vengeful thinking. He must have told her
that no one will ever take any action against her because she's his
wife.

Now the Singapore Police Force is also dragged through the mud because
some people have filed police reports against the culprits "Valencia
Orange" and "Eureka Lemon" who had posted the offensive and illegal
comments (inciting hatred among Singaporeans) in Tin Pei Ling's
facebook with her explicit approval.

Upper Changi MRT station is named Somapah

From: Zanzibar
Subject: Re: Upper Changi station is named Somapah?

On Jun 2, 6:46 pm, "AleXX" wrote:

> For a more spicy and sexy name, it should be named TuaLanpah...http://motoring.asiaone.com/Motoring/News/Story/A1Story20110601-28189...

Your are right, according to the grapevines, the name sounds sexy and
spicy. I think it sounds even more lurid when spoken in hokkien
dialect. As hokkien is the majority of dialect groups, it can be
embarassng Singaporeans when the "somapah" is pronouned. The
prounciation of this word is like saying to others " so lan pah" or
"stroke my balls".

I think LTA should refuse and remove this name as it can ended up in a
irreversbile joke that can go on yearsand years, and it can even joked
into centuries later, should the name of this train station is heaped
with jokea that it will affects commuters and the massess of diverse
community of Singaporeans.

President George Yeo - Sounds Good

From: "truth"

Subject: Re: President George Yeo - Sounds Good

What is the point of having an elected President if the person holding the
position is beholden to the pap ?

"AleXX" wrote in message

> "Superbee" wrote in message
> On Jun 2, 12:51 pm, "AleXX" wrote:
>> "Superbee" wrote in message

>> >I support George Yeo for President. He has the right balance, in
>> > victory and in defeat, he had shown the resolve for the interest of
>> > the people. He is well regarded not only by PAP, foreign leaders and
>> > Singaporeans but also by the opposition parties. He is current with
>> > the older generation and the younger generation. How many people can
>> > fit that bill?

>> If he is elected, looks like he is going to be another Ong Teng Cheong.
>> More importantly, he is concerned with his continuous income of $4.3
>> million
>> annually.

>> Pass the salary problem to the review committee.

> If salary is cut half, he may still consider. He still get back around
> what he got as a foreign minister. But if cut by 75% then he may have to
> double reconsier; which I doubt he will want it. Most human activities are
> motivated by money just like the PAP.

Every Big Businesses in Singapore belongs to Govt

From: yansimon52
Subject: Re: every big businesses in Singapore belong to Govt.

On Jun 1, 2:04 am, Kulin Remailer wrote:

> Telco Singtel/Starhub/M1. Transportation SBS/MRT/SMRT BUSES/NTUC BUSES. Supermarket

> NTUC. Energy SPower. Water PUB. OIL SPC Property JTC/HDB. Everything belong

> to PAP govt. every month you pay your bills t Singtel/starhub/M1, HDB take Buses and MRT,

> Pay SPower for your electricity/water/gas. Deducted CPF and all

> those money every Singaporean earn at least 85% goes to the Govt. There no competition so

> things becoming too expensive the rent for HDB shop are very

> expensive so killing the Singaporean. Why the govt. doesn't want to install

> Solar on rooftop of all HDB block as that they cannot make money from you so they

> still burn fuel to generate power to make money. Singapore only better than

> North Korean and Singapore got 60.1% coward and they approved

> LKY to fuck all Singaporean including FT. One day FT cannot

> Tahan they too pay same everythings as Singaporean they start going to migrate to other country.

> Now I wish it's already end of 2015 and election coming sorry I just dreaming

Why you didn't stop your mother and sisters from voting PAP in those
erection time?

Pap Minister S Iswaran has 48 directorships

From: "AleXX"

Subject: Re: pap minister S Iswaran has 48 directorship

"shermaine wang" wrote in message
On May 31, 3:40 pm, "truth" wrote:

> truth comment: this is the kind of excesses with pap infested by greedy
> and
> $face people. the whole idea of allowing political office holders and mps
> to
> sit on the boards of private companies is in the first place wrong. it was
> a
> policy introduced when gck was the pm. prior to that all pap mps are
> forbidden to be associated with private companies.

> http://forums.delphiforums.com/3in1kopitiam/messages/?msg=51858.1
------------------------------------
> i hate to intervene, but as one who has huge respect for the man, i
> think we have to get the facts right first -
> a) Firstly, he does not hold any of these Directorships now – he had
> to give them all up the moment he takes up office in Government –
> precisely to avoid any conflict of interest. This is the same for all
> other political office holders.
> b) Secondly, these directorships were held at different times – not
> all at the same time.
> c) Third, he held these Directorships on behalf of Temasek Holdings
> who was his employer – in other words, one salary and not fees from 48
> directorships.
> d) Btw it is very common for senior executives in corporations to hold
> such directorships in legal entities set up by their employers to
> manage their interests in various investments – they are not operating
> companies.

Of course the present Papist government law allows such homo sapiens to hold
as many directorship and chairmanship of any legal companies. But we are
pointing out the way they are being awarded; the auto-link to these
companies and the money they are harvesting in from annually from these
enterprises; and that is beside their multi-$million dollars salaries as
ministers.

Teen found dead after falling into drain

From: Zanzibar

Subject: Govt take 8 hr to search and rescue victim in raging waters of canals is taking unacceptably too long lacked thinking skills
This unfortunate child who died after felling into the raging waters
of the canal was a repeat of accident that had had occured in Bt
Batok canal a few years ago in which a student died.

Taking 8 hour for the Govt to find the body showed there was something
wrong with the speed of them in having the knowledge and information
and to process them fast in knowing where to find and rescue the
helpless and frighthened child from drowning and the potential dying
in a unhappy state in the raging waters of the canal.

Most of them that fell in the raging waters of canals i nthe past
accidents died of drwoning not because they cannot swim to the nearest
wall of the canal to hold on there or to held on som metal bar or
concrete bostacle untill rescue arrives to recue them.

They died because they were knocked out of their sense by the
concussion on their head into metal bar barrier or concrete barrier or
under the edge of the concrete path bridging over the canal when they
swept through with the raging flow of the blurry and muddy waters in
the canal.

The minister of water resources should study why it takes 8 hour to
find the body of this child and where are thei weakness of finding it.

As a suggestion, is it not better to have flow map installed at each
end of any large drain and canal to indicate where the flows of waters
will flow to the various and large drains and especialy the arrow
signage showing in what directions the waters in the canl will flow
to .

The signage can be designed like a tourist map and installed at each
end of the canl as part of the explaination signage of the history of
the canal that flows to.

THe mapping of flow chart on signage will show the flowage of the
canal directions or that arrowing mapping of waters that will flow in
their different directions.

At each stage of the water flow arrows, they should be numbered at
each segment and stage of canal that starts and ends and where is
diverted to other large drains and canals.

All these should be on the signages that should be installed at each
end or at the side of the long canal so that anyone can see and mount
a rescue to the helpless vicitim that is flowing with the raging
waters in the canal.

If anyone or even passerby can locate the signage on the side or end
of the canal, the problem of finding and chasing up the drowning
victim can be shortened.

If the signages on the canal has arrow direcitons of its canal's water
flow, it wll ease the pain of guessiing to find out where the victim
or vody will evenutally flow to.

If water flow signages of the canal is installed on the side canal
sidewalk, it will ease anyone who wish to read and to know where to
cal lfor help.

If the signage is there, it wil ease anyone or passerby who can mount
a rescue on the victim in the canal with a rope or a wooden pole.

Ultimately, the water-flow-direction signage is to enable anyone
inclduing the Cvil defence in the knowing of where to chase up ahead
to where the victim will flow to and to mount a speedy rescue
operation to save the victim, like this unfortunate child who died and
it took 8 hour to find him.

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Teen found dead after falling into drain

SINGAPORE: The body of a 15-year-old Indonesian teen, who had been
swept away after falling into a drain swollen with rain water was
found on Wednesday night.

Rescuers found his body in the canal next to Block 82, Whampoa Drive,
close to the 1- to 1.5-kilometre stretch that the Singapore Civil
Defence Force (SCDF) had been combing since late afternoon.

Paramedics pronounced him dead at about 11 pm.

The tragedy happened during a period of intense rain, which caused
flooding at the junction of Novena Square and a tree to fall
elsewhere.

The teen, identified only as William, was here on holiday. He was with
two friends, Singaporean student Brian Lee and his Indonesian cousin,
who was William's friend.

He was wading through shin-deep waters at 2.30pm along a flooded
section in the Balestier area when he fell into the drain.

The drain is guarded by a railing but William is believed to have
stepped through a break in the railing at the flooded junction of
Martaban Road and Minbu Road. He fell into the submerged drain, which
is about 1.2-metre deep.

"My cousin's friend (William) grabbed the railings but he was soon
swept away," Brian said.

The two other teens were walking just behind William.

Brian said his cousin then ran towards the drain along Mandalay Road.
"My cousin told me to take care of our belongings and he ran towards
the drain to try and save William. He grabbed William's T-shirt and
cried for help," Brian said.

But his cousin could not hold on for long. The Indonesian also tried
to extend his feet to the stricken teen but the rushing water proved
too strong and swept William away, Brian added.

On Wednesday night, Brian told MediaCorp that they had contacted
William's father in Jakarta and that he was on his way to Singapore.

The SCDF said it received a call at about 4pm on Wednesday. Eighteen
personnel and several vehicles, including an ambulance and a water-
rescue vehicle, were despatched.

Watched by a crowd of curious onlookers, SCDF officers searched the
drain and the canal at Whampoa West and Serangoon Road, into which the
drain empties.

The case has been handed over to the police, who said that
investigations are still ongoing. - TODAY
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From: botik

Subject: Proof that PAP's negligence caused death

There's plenty of proof that PAP's negligence caused the death of
Indonesian teen William Lim who unwittingly walked into a rain-swollen
drain at the junction of Mandalay Road and Minbu Road on Wednesday,
got swept away and drowned.

Only after the drowning did the negligent PAP quickly put up a railing
15 meters long along the junction of Mandalay Road and Minbu Road.

Why wasn't the railing built earlier? The answer is simple. They knew
of the danger much earlier but their priority is not to spend money on
making the roads safe. Their priority is to save the money and pay
themselves huge bonuses at the end of the year.

So, the parents of William Lim would do Singaporeans a favor by suing
the pants off the negligent PAP and its minister Vivian Balakrishnan.

Uniquely Singapore - jailed for writing a book

From: "truth"
Subject: Uniquely Singapore - jailed for writing a book

A 76-year-old British writer who published a book denouncing judicial
hangings in Singapore started a prison term today for contempt.

Alan Shadrake, who wrote about the use of hanging to execute drug
traffickers and murderers in the city-state, turned himself in at the High
Court.

On Friday he lost his appeal against a six-week sentence, the toughest
ever imposed in Singapore for contempt.

Shadrake could not afford to pay a Sg$20,000 ($15,175) fine on top of
the prison term, resulting in another two weeks in jail, taking the term to
eight weeks in total. He could be released earlier for good behaviour.

He was allowed to undergo a medical test before serving his sentence.

"I feel fine. I feel that Singapore has shamed itself again by jailing
me," Shadrake said by phone.

"For Singapore not to allow this free expression, to jail someone for
their opinions... it's bloody nonsense," added the author of Once A Jolly
Hangman: Singapore Justice in the Dock.

His book includes a profile of Darshan Singh, the former chief
executioner at Singapore's Changi Prison who, according to the author,
hanged around 1,000 men and women including foreigners from 1959 until he
retired in 2006.

Shadrake's book features interviews with human rights activists,
lawyers and former police officers, and alleges that some cases involving
foreigners may have been influenced by diplomatic and trade considerations.

He was arrested by Singapore police in July last year while visiting
the city to launch the first edition of his book, which was first published
in neighbouring Malaysia.

Shadrake said previously that the second edition of his book was
already on sale in Australia and was due to be launched in Britain on June
1.

Why property index keep rising

From: allo

Subject: Re: Why property index keep rising ?

I agree HDB need to separate genuine first time home buyers from the
rest. For example, first time HDB home buyers could be given a 100%
concessionary loan and a bigger housing grant in order to buy their
first home. In addition, first time home buyers could be given double
chances of winning a flat queue ballot.

On the other hand, Singaporean whom have sold their first, second or
third HDB flats and are now looking for another flat should be given a
smaller housing loan. If these people bought their flat at S$100,000 and
subsequently sold it for S$400,000 and use the money to buy a new car
for S$100,000 then this group should be given the last priority for any
sort of flat choice.

At the moment, HDB don't seem to differentiate the housing needs of
various group of HDB buyers and it is confusing everyone.

On 1/6/2011 11:55 PM, Zanzibar wrote:
> On Jun 1, 7:45 pm, asdf asdf wrote:
>> On Jun 1, 5:29 pm, "WanPahTan" wrote:
> Right, indeed if the housing loan is not given, the price will
> definitely have to drop.
> Alternatively, the tenure on the lease should be revert to 20 or 25
> years of lease.
> The limit on lease years will force the price to drop.
> Currently the majority of HDB loan applicants were given 30 years of
> loan years.

Why George Yeo Should Not Be President

From: "truth"
Subject: George Yeo will not and cannot be independent

To elect George Yeo as President is the same as electing another pap guy
into the position. George Yeo is still on the CEC of the pap. George Yeo is
bascially still very much part and parcel of the pap.

The danger of having another pap man as President is clear. He will be under
the control of the pap government. So the whole purpose of the elected
President is defeated as it has been all this years.

We must take the opportunity to change things in a big way. To elect George
Yeo is to continue to do things as usual. This is not wise. Singaporeans
have awakened and to elect George Yeo is to go backward. Pls don't go
forward one step and then backward 2 steps.

If Singaporeans elect George Yeo as President it will signal to the pap
government that u r satisify with what they are doing. So they will slow
down and may not even carry forward what they promise u. They may even stop
accomodating your wishes and then we are back to the ways of the old days.
Pls Singaporeans don't do such silly things. U have just gain some traction
over the pap leegime and now u wanna give it back ??????

From: baldeagle
Subject: President George Yeo :)... George Yeo is a better man than Nathan as the president of Singapore !

On Jun 1, 11:10 pm, "AleXX" wrote:
> Another way of continuing to get his multi-$millions is to become a
> President of the LeePublic of Singapore.

George Yeo had been an outstanding Foreign Minister since
Rajaratnam. He was well respected by the leaders of ASEAN
and the Western world...and the international media. In international
affairs, Singapore was able to punch way above her size (as a
tiny red dot,) because of him.

In comparison, Nathan has done NOTHING to enhance the image
of Singapore. He is head and shoulder above Nathan, Tan Cheng
Bock and the other candidates...(unless LKY decide to stand for
the president.)

If George Yeo can detach himself from PAP, and rise above petty
politics, he will make a very good president.

On Jun 1, 8:43 pm, "truth" wrote:

> Georgie boy is no independent after all.
> He said he is a free spirit and will not fit into the role of President.
> Hence he will not contest. That was immediately after he lost in Aljunied.
> Now the pap top dogs have instructed him to stand. Hence he said he is
> considering.
> All these wayang is typically papist. No much has changed. Singaporeans
> are
> still being manipulated.